Present: AGB, Tobias, George, Richard, Abouzied, Jonathan, Peter, Edo, Benedict. - Actions Action: Alastair to try to nudge commercial partners. - katie has done this. Action: Richard to speak to Katie just before next meeting. - commercial partners haven't yet responded. Nudged again, no response, so sending a personalised message. They are getting no money. So, trying to set up a 2-tier collaboration agreement, with an academic version and a light weight industrial version. This has gone to head of Durham Legal office. Our agreement will pay Manchester etc. Newcastle already takes this approach. Action: email around working group meetings that are known about. Stephen - tried to prompt, but no response. Action: Richard will look at setting up a meeting in January for a cross-excalibur meeting. Action: Report back on STFC meeting from 19th Nov. Action: Richard to look at the cross-cutting funding. - General updates STFC meeting on Thursday - AGB putting some slides together. Peter, Edo and Jonathan will also attend. Report back next session. Introductions. Mini-apps discussion - sph missing from the US set. So aim to put sph into a miniapp. Perhaps these should be called proof of concepts. Define the high prio use cases for the next round. - Contracts (Richard) - Hydro weak-scaling (Edo) K-H instability plots. In 3d. Tiling cubes for weak scaling. Problem with odd-sized cubes, seem to be using the last node whole, rather then half a socket. Doesn't seem to make sense - PWD will take a look. - RDMA updates (Peter) Trying to get swift running with single-sided MPI. Runs with SHM comms, but deadlocks with fabric. Sends always synchronous, receives always async. But can have problems with deadlocks. Currently only 1-1. not yet many-many. - Individual workpackage update [all] - Training (Tobias?) - Outreach (?)   - Others/AOB? STFC meeting this week. Cross cutting funding - need to take action by 4th Dec, funding programmes starting in the new year. We should probably do something about this. Richard to take a look. Need to be clear about whether Excalibur or met office.